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[TMD_24]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/14533422/bbc-tell-radio1-djs-stay-in-london/

This basically confirming that the likes of Grimmy, Scott and Clara show's won't move out of London in the scenario if the new BBC show location rules were in place today.

Though you do wonder if Grimmy get replaced in the future, then the BBC could work around the London issue by putting Jordan on Drive and have his show from Salford.

[SamChisholm]

What about Greg? He won't be moving, will he? The article makes it clear Clara is one of the most important presenters

[Lee E]

I wonder if they would move her to drive if Grim left?

[Dan18F1]

The plan said that all the moves had to be implemented by 2027 I think so I’m guessing Radio 1 management are guessing that at least 1 of Clara, Scott and Grimmy will have left by then (probably all 3) and then they can decide who and which slot to move up North!

[michaelb]

On 4/4/2021 at 3:25 AM, Lee E said:

I wonder if they would move her to drive if Grim left?

They already said in the proposed plans that the breakfast shows will still come from London.

[NathanS]

Early Breakfast is classed part of the daytime schedule, could always move that to broadcast from elsewhere if they want to make up the quota of shows produced elsewhere....

[GeekTalk51]

As for Clara being “central”, do we reckon that means they really want her to stay where she is, or does it mean they might play a blinder and put her somewhere more high profile? I just can’t see her presenting style during drive, but maybe they want a “more music” approach, Grimmy is a bit that.

Scott and Greg on Drive were absolutely content driven, Grimmy has made it about content but with lots of back to back music, maybe they’ll complete it with Clara playing back to back hits and the odd hit of showbiz or entertainment.

I don’t think that’s the direction they should go in terms of formatting, but Amfo is a highly competent broadcaster and would be more than capable of holding together a Drive show if that’s what they decide.

[Ash101]

On 4/4/2021 at 9:48 AM, NathanS said:

Early Breakfast is classed part of the daytime schedule, could always move that to broadcast from elsewhere if they want to make up the quota of shows produced elsewhere....

don’t think early breakfast counts, pretty sure it was said in the proposal a key daytime slot

[NathanS]

On 4/4/2021 at 4:34 PM, Ash101 said:

don’t think early breakfast counts, pretty sure it was said in the proposal a key daytime slot

Fair enough, i just read it with as "daytime slot". I personally don't see the added benefit of moving shows out to other locations but i'm sure the BBC have their justifications.

[Jono]

With regards to how Clara Amfo is regarded, she's very talented, but with my cynical hat on I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of concern about losing a key black female DJ to commercial radio. Given the pressure they're under to diversify schedules.

[Ash101]

On 4/4/2021 at 5:34 PM, NathanS said:

Fair enough, i just read it with as "daytime slot". I personally don't see the added benefit of moving shows out to other locations but i'm sure the BBC have their justifications.

Agree. I don’t understand the value to the listeners, but seems to be another example of management suits making decisions for the sake of decisions. You’re also left with the situation where Radio 1 have enough studio space in London to broadcast 24/7. What happens there when certain bits of output

are coming from elsewhere? I’m not sure they can downsize. Would they move Radio 2 across from Wogan House?

[Jono]

On 4/4/2021 at 5:55 PM, Ash101 said:

Agree. I don’t understand the value to the listeners, but seems to be another example of management suits making decisions for the sake of decisions. You’re also left with the situation where Radio 1 have enough studio space in London to broadcast 24/7. What happens there when certain bits of output

are coming from elsewhere? I’m not sure they can downsize. Would they move Radio 2 across from Wogan House?

Was the move for cuts? Or just to show the BBC isn't London-centric to secure more funding in the future?

[JamTriv]

On 4/4/2021 at 8:21 PM, Jono said:

Was the move for cuts? Or just to show the BBC isn't London-centric to secure more funding in the future?

I don't know. It seems weird how they want to move out. Seems messy.

[Ash101]

On 4/4/2021 at 8:21 PM, Jono said:

Was the move for cuts? Or just to show the BBC isn't London-centric to secure more funding in the future?

To show it’s not London-centric and to be so called ‘better connect with audiences’. Ironically if you look into the details of moving most of the BBC News teams around, they’re going to spend a heck of a lot more money in years to come - even in areas they’ve just saved ?

[JamTriv]

Exactly. It doesn't seem very cost effective.

[Jono]

I think it's a good thing to create opportunities around the UK. Channel 4 moving to Leeds has been good for that area.

[GeekTalk51]

Totally agree.

4 minutes ago, Jono said:

I think it's a good thing to create opportunities around the UK. Channel 4 moving to Leeds has been good for that area.

 

[BBCAaron]

Think moving bits out of London not move cuts as costs as it costs a lot to move things out about levelling up when upping the license fee it’s a waste of money that doesn’t change the overall product as a waste as reopening BBC three as a live channel. BBC doesn’t know what doing and frankly any move will play into a the hands of those who want to defund the service. Should’ve invested in local news and local radio and journalism as this will knowingly see some presenters move out of the BBC 

[Jono]

Reopening Three makes a lot of sense given how many viewers it lost in the move.

I think Katie and Vick sound great from Manchester too. It's nice not to hear just about London where most listeners aren't based.

[BBCAaron]

Yes feel like if it is better for the presenter to present from Manchester or other regional sites that’s good but think listeners if want less London centric just ensure that there’s more presenters or conversational points that aren’t from the London bubble presenting. Yes Vick and Katie are good, both deserve a promo when time comes.

BBC three to me shouldn’t be bout chasing audiences when had ability to use prime time slots on BBC One and Two don’t know many my age of 20 who rely on telly schedules and live broadcasting. It seems wrong decision when the cost is to make bbc four an archive channel issue will be that viewers would drift of and seen as something that those who grew up with it in the mid and late 00s older millennials are ones which will benefit the most who already watch One and Two.

Point I was saying about the regional why move Newsbeat out of London.

[Jono]

BBC Four audiences have plenty of other places to turn to for television. BBC Two should go back to delivering arts and culture, their viewership is very similar in age and demographic. BBC Three on TV costs very little, what they needed was to increase the budget again, which was dramatically cut.

How would you show the BBC is more in touch with its audience if it's not to host more shows outside London?

[BBCAaron]

Just feel like could’ve just say they would invest in expanding the local content as I think doing a radio show or a news programme if it is done the same as it is in London with no visible content differences what’s the point. Should’ve said they invest in more local news and regional reporting. e.g extending frequency of regional politics programmes and news and current affairs in different regions maybe having wales north England midlands and south England regional breakfast shows on televison extended news programming and promoting what is happening in your county at top of the webpage

Think to include more investment in maybe delivering that actually committing to reporting what’s happening at town council level and possibly having different regional news bulletins based on city across radio 1, radio2 and commitments to play more music artists from around U.K. from beyond London across all bbc stations.

Think with BBC Three not many young people were calling it to come back on television the reason bbc three budgets got cut stopped showing third party shows and movies and repeats that the old bbc three did think cutting a terrestrial service like BBC Four to archive is a misjudgement for a PSB as where as bbc three is accessed by a generation that uses its VOD service and access similar content on other streaming services All 4, Netflix, Amazon, Next Up comedy etc. For watchers of BBC Four depend on television far more than the young people and proof it’s not about the ratings as a state broadcaster that’s funded as uniquely as it is should focus on commissioning the arts culture documentaries and news and current affairs stuff that isn’t being fulfilled by the commercial sector

 

[Jono]

17 hours ago, BBCAaron said:

Think with BBC Three not many young people were calling it to come back on television the reason bbc three budgets got cut stopped 

You should read the focus groups, the surveys, and the general audience feedback. If it was that popular why has the audience dropped so significantly? I'm guessing your research is anecdotal. The budget cuts were for content, not actually where the shows air.

I think First Dates moving to Manchester shows a great example of how it can change the content of a show. Far fewer people from London appear, for a start.

[BBCAaron]

I think not much is different and think to spend money on moving out of London to the licence fee payer isn't worth it

BBC 3 it not about being popular their audience is naturally going elsewhere shouldn’t be about chasing numbers I don’t think opening the channel up again not many young watch. Not many young watch it.

It might’ve not been as popular as it was on air but was the idea of it coming back popular only with the older millennials that now moved on to prime time bbc one and two stuff the issue is the BBC is doing too much in terms of decisions of late too much of private sector that isn’t worth the time or money.

Issue is these days with the amount of marketing of the BBC it’s not helping to defend itself spending on stuff a private company would think it’s harder to compare c4 and bbc on this due to finding models and the greater costs of these decisions

[Jono]

One way they could tackle this regional thing is more outside broadcasts. I swear in the 2000s they were here there and everywhere with OBs. I remember Chappers and Dave came from the Sportspark in Norwich. Obviously there's a pandemic on but I feel even before that, outside festivals, there wasn't that many live shows from outside London.