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[Jono]

I dont imagine they will...the reason iPlayer is UK only at the moment is down to airing rights and whatnot.

It's not down to that. It's down to the issue of bandwidth. The BBC are paying a heck of a lot for the video streaming, including the stuff they do for Radio 1's videos. This is why they restrict it. And the cost of radio is a bit different. But if it's using iPlayer technology it will be more than likely to be UK only.

But I think changing it to UK only for radio would be a bit of an own goal.

Of course there is the issue of license fees, and so those that demand it to be UK only are within their own rights to say so. The only other option is adverts.

[popbitcher]

it really annoys me how arrogant those outside of the uk can be about stuff like that. the bbc isn't a charity, it's there to make revenue :|

[the_grove]

When is the move due? The RadioPlayer works fine for me in Germany right now...

I wouldn't really understand why the BBC would be interested in making their radio programmes available in the UK only. Airing rights is a strange argument, because record companies actually profit from their music being available to as many listeners as possible.

Licence fee...okay, that's the only understandable reason for making radio 1 a national programme. Costs - no. BBC News Online shows ads to users outside the UK. They could do the same with the Radio 1 Homepage (it's due to be re-designed anyway, isn't it?) and make loads of money with it.

Finally: is the BBC really "there to make revenue"? I dont quite believe that. Could you imagine something like BBC-stocks being traded? That would just be the next step...of course, they're not charity, but they are asked to put all their income into their programmes, rather than make profit, aren't they?

[Jono]

Well they want revenue to make the programmes. As for when it's due, "the next few weeks". We'll know about it as there'll be a whole new interface.

[Frenchie]

What really bothers me is the fact we internationals can't download most podcasts. For example, the new 6music George Lamb podcast, which is all talk, not much music! And the argument about copyright I find bizarre as well, because I could quite easily log into the UK iTunes store from my house in Vancouver and listen to its music.

Other stations podcasts, such as Virgin Radio, are filled with music! So I don't understand why people outside the UK should be restricted from listening and enjoying "international" Radio 1.

[Jono]

And the argument about copyright I find bizarre as well, because I could quite easily log into the UK iTunes store from my house in Vancouver and listen to its music.

That's thirty seconds, which up until recently, was all the BBC could have on their podcasts.

[Frenchie]

Exactly, 30 seconds! So why can't we get the chart podcast? Aren't they 30 second snippets?

[popbitcher]

pay the bbc and i will understand your argument a bit more. i just don't like how i am paying for all of this just for those to get it for free across the globe :|

[the_grove]

As I said, ads would be okay for me...

By the way: would anyone of you like to try and visit daserste.de (a German TV station which is pretty much financed like the BBC) and tell me wether you can view any of the videos available in the "Mediathek" (which you find in the right column)? I don't want to argue that I should be allowed to get every BBC production because you are able to watch German TV(which I pay for, too...). I'm just interested in how the Germans handle this.

[simonf]

Yep, the videos work fine for me on that daserste.de site!

[Jono]

Here's the new look iPlayer with radio. It promotes better "quality". There'll be a Beta version online tomorrow.

New rights deals will also allow listeners to fully rewind and fast forward BBC radio content online for the first time.

A mobile version of the TV element of the integrated iPlayer, for the iPhone and iPod Touch, will be available tomorrow.

Video here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jun/25/bbc.television1

[simonf]

I'm impressed! The search bar will be much handier than just having the option of fast forwarding 5 or 15 minutes. All the new TV stuff sounds good too.

[Chippy]

Looks very very nice, the carry on watching from where you left off will be useful.

Hope it works for IPhone/Touch like the old version did, or they might leave the old version for IPhone/Touch's.

[James R]

Aled has just said a BETA version will be available today (26/6) and the main launch is July 7. He said we will be able to pause fast forward and REWIND!

[Jono]

Well I had just said that twelve hours prior...

[Andy B]

So what's the new deal for iPhone iTouch users, I don't get it? can we listen again now? Or are they just doing behind the scenes stuff to it that we won't notice?

[Jono]

So what's the new deal for iPhone iTouch users, I don't get it? can we listen again now? Or are they just doing behind the scenes stuff to it that we won't notice?

It's supposed to launch in Beta later today.

The new iPlayer for radio isn't that impressive. It's just Real Player as some of us already to Listen Again. I was expecting some fancy new BBC technology like with the TV stuff!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/

[Andy B]

My question was more iPhone based as it's already on the iphone, I was just wondering from your earlier post if they'd said there would be any noticeable changes to people who use it through their iPhone?

[Jono]

My question was more iPhone based as it's already on the iphone, I was just wondering from your earlier post if they'd said there would be any noticeable changes to people who use it through their iPhone?

Can you not seeing anything new? I am under the impression there's a new interface.

[Andy B]

Dunno I need wi-fi to access it and I won't get that until I get to Waterloo tonight so I'll check it there if the bloody thing is working.

Hope I can listen again on it.

[Jono]

Hope I can listen again on it.

Don't think so. It's still using Real Player at the moment.

[Andy B]

Hmm was gonna write a long moany message whining about the lack of support for iphone users but instead I think this sums it up pretty well.

Bugger.

We won#t even be able to stream it then either.

[Jono]

Well oddly it seems to change depending on what show you pick It's gone from Real Player to the iPlayer style.

[Chippy]

The new Iplayer page is up at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/

[Rik]

The new Iplayer page is up at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayerbeta/

Sorry Chippy - Jono beat you to that one by 2 hours 27 mins