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I think it is totally acceptable to ask a teacher to work just as long as ANY OTHER WORKER. I think it's absolutely ridiculous to strike for being asked to work the same length of time as any other government worker. (Admittedly, I can see why they are annoyed about the 13 year jump, but the gap should never have existed anyway)


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I disagree with the finish at 4 comment.

My classics/ Latin teacher, who I was on a trip to Greece with last week, gets into school at half 7 and doesn't leave until gone half 5 everyday, and works through her lunch.


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There r days when i get up before and dont get back until seven. What do these teachers want. A medal for it. besides we r getting away from the amounts they are earning by comparison to the rest of us. they can earn every bit of that with long hours s far as i am concerned.


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There r days when i get up before and dont get back until seven. What do these teachers want. A medal for it. besides we r getting away from the amounts they are earning by comparison to the rest of us. they can earn every bit of that with long hours s far as i am concerned.

Yeah but you said they ALWAYS FINISH AT FOUR and blamed them striking for this girl's tragic death as if it were fact, and this is quite plainly incorrect as I have gone into quite a lot of detail on from experience from teachers I know personally (and not just ones that taught me). My point is that they do work a lot more than you are giving them credit for (working a lot more than most other people and yet you insist they are 'part-timers') and quite frankly I'd like to see you try that job if you think it's so easy as you obviously think it is. I've also seen a lot of the utter crap they have to put up with from all sides, the kids, the parents and their bosses, but hey I guess that's nothing huh?

You can't really base an opinion of an entire group on your experience with one a-hole and expect said opinion not to be ripped apart by facts that rags like the Mail will conveniently omit for sensation.


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Sorry, but they ARE getting paid a lot more. It comes back to this again and again. incidentally, if a teacher cant handle crazy kids, cant be assertive with parents, then they shouldnt be in the job. i am now watching four in a bed so goodbye.


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Yep, the paper he claims to hate, yet has a subscription to? go figure.

it's not the Daily Mail i subscribe to, i'm not even allowed to post on their comments due to a ban :giggle: my dad has a subscription to the paper version of the Times so i also get access to the website.

what i am saying is that the teachers shouldn't have gone on strike & if the girl was in school like she should have been she wouldn't have died, there was teacher on the news a few days before they went on strike & she was saying that she didn't want to strike because she was going to loose a days pay, well thats HER choice, but what about the parents of all the children who also had to loose a days pay ?

i was working at Coventry Uni a few years ago & the lecturers were on strike because they wanted more money & i was talking to the main guy who runs the uni & he was saying that the amount they were striking over was less than they were loosing for having the days off !

i do get that this is just the start, but why should private sector workers bare the brunt of the cuts ? i pay into a pension my company don't put anything into it & really it's not worth the paper it's written on, they should start living in the real world, many private sector workers are having to work longer & their pensions have been reduced.

the teachers & other public sector workers seem to think that they are taking all the hits, but the private sector have been taking the hits for years, under Labour in many of their key constituencies huge investment has been made & thousands of jobs have been 'made' in the public sector, yes we need there people to run the system, but why do we need twice as many people running things now than when Labour won their first election.

all this stems back to where the money went, ie to bail out of the banks, well if i were in charge at the time i wouldn't have bailed them out, i would have let them fail, because the tax payer is NOT responsible for a private companies debt.

basically the public sector workers need to look at themselves & see how easy they have it, job for life, paid sick pay, nice pension, higher wages, more days off etc etc.

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She could have died on the day of the Royal Wedding. I dare say the Daily Mail wouldn't dare have blame Kate and Wills. In the county of Norfolk all of the kids got the day off regardless of the strikes so it made little difference here.

The way I see it is that it's unreasonable to simply change someone's pension after you've signed a contract with someone. If they wanted to increase pension contributions charge the next generation of teachers. Not those already planning their retirement. Anyway, the cost of public sector pensions will drop significantly over the next 20 years and the report shows that. It is irrational of the government to use the line that they are too expensive.

The government want these strikes to take away the attention from their mistakes.

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it's not the Daily Mail i subscribe to, i'm not even allowed to post on their comments due to a ban :giggle: my dad has a subscription to the paper version of the Times so i also get access to the website.

I stand corrected :)

She could have died on the day of the Royal Wedding. I dare say the Daily Mail wouldn't dare have blame Kate and Wills. In the county of Norfolk all of the kids got the day off regardless of the strikes so it made little difference here.

The way I see it is that it's unreasonable to simply change someone's pension after you've signed a contract with someone. If they wanted to increase pension contributions charge the next generation of teachers. Not those already planning their retirement. Anyway, the cost of public sector pensions will drop significantly over the next 20 years and the report shows that. It is irrational of the government to use the line that they are too expensive.

The government want these strikes to take away the attention from their mistakes.

Agreed, Contract is a contract (not that Cameron would know much about keeping to terms). I don't see them taking anything away from Bankers who deserve to be strung up yet end up getting yet more bonuses paid for by our Bail Out money (which it turns out some of these what I now consider criminal organisations didn't actually need, and has been used purely on bonuses by some of these corrupt ****). Take something away from them and their culture of corruption, rather than Teachers who have (mostly) done NOTHING wrong and are working their arses off making an honest living. Also not seeing many MPs taking any cuts themselves... and if they did they'd probably make more bogus expenses claims.

Viv is obviously beyond reasoning with on this one, and I sense a boatload of jealousy there.


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At my school, some teachers were striking on Thursday, and I was told that all students affected were sent to the refectory, and were taught their lessons by the senior management (Heads/ Deputy Heads), as teachers had already prepared cover lessons. (As far as I know, from emails sent to the teachers I was in Greece with, they still learned exactly what they would have done anyway)

Why was their school closed?


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This is great getting on the forum from my bed. anyhow, closing a school is just naked madness. but i wouldnt expect sensible or rational from schools. you will learn more once you leave the clutches of teachers, etheridge. anyhow, do agree with jono that cameron should have hit the next generation of "teachers" rather than those who have signed contracts. that said, they have had it cushy for so long i am glad. we ALL work our arses off doovde, trying to get by. Why are they on a pedastal. go cameron ... Knocking them off it !! and they are still gonna come out with more, despite having to pay more. the vast majority of public sector workers have had very little change to their contributions over the years, compared with private sector workers. People ARE living longer. we can no longer fund people who can look after themselves. so, look after yourselves. The rest of us aint gonna pick up the pieces any longer. its good to have cameron take on the teachers, most of whom are only ever challenged by someone whose maximum age is about ten.


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Considering all that was said on jeremy vine's show the other day and the eventual pensions you will get, i do wish i had gone into teaching. my hours have been cut for the past two years now, and you think i and many other genuine workers should feel sympathy for you.

Clearly teachers hours cannot be cut but jobs have been cut like every other area in the public sector, resources have been cut so much that many schools don't even have pencils for the children to write with and teachers are having to buy in school resources themselves. Staffing has also been cut so there are less and less Pupil Support Assistants - and before you say we shouldn't need assistants, they are for the children. With inclusion there are more and more pupils with learning disabilities in mainstream schools so extra staff are needed to support the pupils.

There r days when i get up before and dont get back until seven. What do these teachers want. A medal for it. besides we r getting away from the amounts they are earning by comparison to the rest of us. they can earn every bit of that with long hours s far as i am concerned.

What you fail to realise is that many teachers take work home with them and can be working until 10 o'clock at night and often work weekends. You talk about how much teachers earn - we have to study for 4 years at university to get a degree and work really hard. Things have changed dramatically since you were at school Viv and the work load on teachers is high. People outside the profession don't realise this and those who rant on about how easy the job is are just showing their ignorance. We do long hours and the fact that you don't know this only highlights your severe lack of knowledge.

I've been looking more into this "teaching" dilemma this morning, and it seems (according to one article), teachers have misunderstood the entire thing - it seems even though they have to PAY more they will STILL come out with more.

Wish I could find the bloody article now. Found it on my phone first thing. DAMN.

Seems it's a big teaching "fuss" over nothing. Typical teachers. So superior, they haven't even looked properly at the situation. Still agree with Alan.... it's the kids who suffer for these silly strikes, with one already dead.

So you believe everything you read do you? I think it's obviously you who hasn't looked at the situation properly.

they have had it cushy for so long i am glad.

Pffft. You are so unaware that it's actually hilarious.

I'm interested in what you do for a living? Would it be acceptable for me to brand everyone in your line of work as ignorant fools? ;)

I think not, it's just nonsense that you say every teacher is the same as the one you knew.


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Your salaries are higher, your pensions are greater. So earn it, even if you have to work until midnight. i have been in higher education too, to HND level in ayr. From this, had i chosen to, i could have gone onto to a degree in business studies, by transferring to paisley uni., had i chosen to do so. so you think higher education gives you a 'right' to anything in your chosen career? it doesn't. the only people i support in the public sector are police and fire brigade. the rest, i feel, are just decoration.


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Your salaries are higher, your pensions are greater. So earn it, even if you have to work until midnight. i have been in higher education too, to HND level in ayr. From this, had i chosen to, i could have gone onto to a degree in business studies, by transferring to paisley uni., had i chosen to do so. so you think higher education gives you a 'right' to anything in your chosen career? it doesn't. the only people i support in the public sector are police and fire brigade. the rest, i feel, are just decoration.

Yes, we should all take a leaf out the private sector's books.

I mean after all, the bankers did so much for our country didn't they? You never see them with high pay or high pensions at a time of austerity...

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Ok. Is the bankers fault. . I agree. however, the public sector still is too cushy and needs a boot. Cameron will make it happen. look what i have found now !! an article fm the daily mail in which teachers name boys most likely to be disruptive. These are...... Callum, connor, jack, daniel, brandon, charlie, kyle, liam , jake, brooklyn. find it curious jack and daniel are together, but teachers i have known do drink a lot.


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What you fail to realise is that many teachers take work home with them and can be working until 10 o'clock at night and often work weekends.

Tried to tell her this, hasn't sunk in at all. I thought we had teachers on here and I'm glad one has piped up.

As far as kids giving teachers absolute hell, I know I was one of those kids to some extent at various points during school (and still came out the other end with decent grades, but labelled an underachiever due to a lack of revision) and there were far worse than me including one who assaulted a teacher, is that REALLY something these teachers should be 'expected to endure' because of what they get paid? because I think NO-ONE should ever have to go through that as part of a job.

Viv, if I'm honest your posts about the Public Sector reek of some sort of bitterness, maybe because you're not IN one of these what you label 'cushy' jobs perhaps?


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I never condoned any teacher getting a slap (although i cd see why it could be tempting). I find it fascinating how a former hooligan is now actively praising teachers. i am still not sorry for the long hours . . You probably earn twice as much as me, so hard lard. no, doovde, i wdnt want to teach. Im not that much of a fan of kids. Too much noise. i usually get into rows with parents at the library about excessive noise, so no thanx to a classroom full of mini bastards.


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I never condoned any teacher getting a slap

and yet

if a teacher cant handle crazy kids, cant be assertive with parents, then they shouldnt be in the job.

and as for the 'hooligan' comment, hardly, normal teen rebellion (and still elements of that now, but turned toward those who actually deserve it).

Would you really want a country/world with NO teachers? Let's see how that would work out... I suppose you'd be moaning that kids are dying every day because all the schools were closed. :rolleyes:


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Right. This is my last post cos i have to sort stuff for my now LOWER PAID JOB tomorrow. i said teachers shd be able to be assertive with kids and parents, i never said they shd be beaten up. it wd be unrealistic for the world to be without teachers. Parents need somewhere to place the mini bastards while they are working, etc. that said, a lot of people do favour home schooling. . . U know, i swear the following... Its actually the fault of the teaching profession that i still cant count properly today. . . All through primary and secondary school i was screamed at about decimal points and triangles and hit with rulers. to this day i dont like to count... And whose fault is it........ Teachers !!!


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Hmm so in your world teachers are still back in the old days when they'd cane people and throw rulers etc? VERY different now, they'd get sued to hell for that now.


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Wow, the papers are really becoming reprihensible, now it's the News Of The World getting rumbled for criminal acts... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14032287 and as usual, here comes the papers defending themselves through 'not knowing it was happening'...

I sincerely hope the new generation of journalists that is coming through does NOT learn tactics like this for newsgrabbing from the current lot. Glad I don't ever pay for a newspaper anymore after crap like this KEEPS happening, very poor journalism though I expect nothing less from the current tabloid crop.


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