The eighth floor

[DC]

On 1/24/2023 at 9:05 AM, Old Codger Fan said:

Take a look at a 2011 R2 Schedule, to see what a thing of wonder it was ...

BBC Radio 2 - Schedules, Tuesday 1 February 2011

Radcliffe and Maconie, like them as a duo. But never quite reached the levels of Mark and Lard. Totally different thing obviously. Also nice to see Alex Lester on there too, met him once or twice working in Birmingham. Really nice chap.

Also a show playing 1950s music is unheared of nowdays. Can't be many who listened to that back in 2011 still about... 

[DC]

Also listened to bits of Rickie, Charlie and Melvin whilst at work earlier for the first time. Wasn't too taken up on them tbh. Lots of laughing at not much, pushing the mic limiter into the red and talking over one another. Charlie does OK on her own with dance anthems. I get the zoo format as Moyles used to have it especially on drive time, but it has to be pulled off correctly.

Jordan North as per has been great when I've heard him. Used to listen to his old weekend show in my old job and he's just as good if not better, he's tailor made for the big shows. If anyone can step into the main role, it's him. 

Its hard for me to think of Greg James coming to the end of his time at Radio 1 though. He's still young to me, and it feels like he only started there a moment ago from student radio. Although he's 37, he's feels more like an older brother to the whippersnappers. Different to when Moyles left, and to younger listeners at that time who saw him as that "millenium shock jock from 10 years ago when I was in primary school". 

Saying that Mark and Lard were doing a daytime radio 1 show until their mid 40s, winning sony golds. And then there's what Scott did, which is another level altogether. Like I said, Greg has a good few years there yet imo.

[BBCAaron]

2 hours ago, DC said:

Radcliffe and Maconie, like them as a duo. But never quite reached the levels of Mark and Lard. Totally different thing obviously. Also nice to see Alex Lester on there too, met him once or twice working in Birmingham. Really nice chap.

Also a show playing 1950s music is unheared of nowdays. Can't be many who listened to that back in 2011 still about... 

its probably only stuff like Boom and maybe Jazz FM that would play music from those ages. Its something to think that the people who grew up and had the music of the 50s as the soundtrack of their teenage and childhood years are at the generation at the end of their lives of their 80s and 90s. My grandparents now at 70 and 69 both born early 50s and 60s. Considering the legacy of The Beatles and The Rolling Stones some artists from the ages wonder how long radio stations that play all the ages will feature songs go back those years. I wonder how it would be for DJs at parties and radio stations to be playing ABBA’s Dancing Queen in 2040 or 2050. When popular culture becomes embedded in history it will be interesting 

[BBCAaron]

2 hours ago, DC said:

Also listened to bits of Rickie, Charlie and Melvin whilst at work earlier for the first time. Wasn't too taken up on them tbh. Lots of laughing at not much, pushing the mic limiter into the red and talking over one another. Charlie does OK on her own with dance anthems. I get the zoo format as Moyles used to have it especially on drive time, but it has to be pulled off correctly.

Jordan North as per has been great when I've heard him. Used to listen to his old weekend show in my old job and he's just as good if not better, he's tailor made for the big shows. If anyone can step into the main role, it's him. 

Its hard for me to think of Greg James coming to the end of his time at Radio 1 though. He's still young to me, and it feels like he only started there a moment ago from student radio. Although he's 37, he's feels more like an older brother to the whippersnappers. Different to when Moyles left, and to younger listeners at that time who saw him as that "millenium shock jock from 10 years ago when I was in primary school". 

Saying that Mark and Lard were doing a daytime radio 1 show until their mid 40s, winning sony golds. And then there's what Scott did, which is another level altogether. Like I said, Greg has a good few years there yet imo.

To be fair to Chris Moyles it was his show and think when each person on the show has a certain role or position on the show it works best as Moyles was the captain you had your newsreader, sports reader, producers, comedy cohost with two people it works well when are equals but when got three presenters doing the same role it can get bit messy and crowded if there isn’t an obvious balance for things to set in place. For presenters like Moyles, Mills, Wright etc. who do the zoo format the zoo keeper keeps the crowd in order and has a clear format that makes simple sense to a listener. They had the confidence and the direction to make it work with the producers and controllers. For me I find that Dance Anthems has the lack of importance to tune into these days miss having features and different things to connect the songs to show its a thought out curation. Seems too much of just playing tracks that listed up on the computer with nothing more to it.

[Old Codger Fan]

11 hours ago, DC said:

 

Also a show playing 1950s music is unheared of nowdays. Can't be many who listened to that back in 2011 still about... 

Good question ~ I think Mark Lammar would be able to ignite many people's interest, even today ...

[DC]

11 hours ago, BBCAaron said:

For me I find that Dance Anthems has the lack of importance to tune into these days miss having features and different things to connect the songs to show its a thought out curation. Seems too much of just playing tracks that listed up on the computer with nothing more to it.

I'm not sure if Radio 1 ever aimed for the "new" dance anthems to be the same as its original format with Dave Pearce. Or meant for it to try and offer a modern version of what Judge Jules' 5pm Saturday show used to.

Back around the mid 90s to the mid 00s it felt like young people used to go to bigger scale events and more often. They used to travel the country on weekends going to superclubs like Cream, Gatecrasher in Sheffield etc. So the original dance anthems was on at the right time on a Sunday night, everyone interacting with the show saying where they had been over the weekend and with who. What DJ they had seen and what was the big tune of the weekend etc. House and Garage music were big around this point, but my a country mile it was the boom of Trance around the millenium that stood out. It was the fuel for the show really.

Todays version I do see has a bit of an identity crisis. That said Charlie has history with Kiss who have always been heavily involved with dance culture. So playing commercial dance tracks, she's good enough to do that really. Interacting with the listeners will be different though, there's that many sub genres of dance (especially house) now it's hard to keep up. Not as many people are into one strain and the same thing now, pulling the same way. Also at that time of day it's usually the dancing in the kitchen and cooking the dinner type who will text in etc.

[DC]

11 hours ago, BBCAaron said:

its probably only stuff like Boom and maybe Jazz FM that would play music from those ages. Its something to think that the people who grew up and had the music of the 50s as the soundtrack of their teenage and childhood years are at the generation at the end of their lives of their 80s and 90s. My grandparents now at 70 and 69 both born early 50s and 60s. Considering the legacy of The Beatles and The Rolling Stones some artists from the ages wonder how long radio stations that play all the ages will feature songs go back those years. I wonder how it would be for DJs at parties and radio stations to be playing ABBA’s Dancing Queen in 2040 or 2050. When popular culture becomes embedded in history it will be interesting 

A good way to scale it is look at what gets played at something like a wedding disco, or party. Where family members there and friends range from the very young to the very old. 20 years ago it wasn't uncommon to hear something like "Rock Around The Clock" and a couple of likewise for the older crew. Nowdays, that's very rare. The oldest you get is Candi Station Young Heart Run Free, maybe if its called for a few motown tracks like the Four Tops. But even that is pushing it nowdays.

Its kind of like the angle Radio 2 are at right now, the same as that DJ at that party. Can you carry on playing music to a generation that isn't around to hear it anymore? 

[BBCAaron]

1 hour ago, DC said:

I'm not sure if Radio 1 ever aimed for the "new" dance anthems to be the same as its original format with Dave Pearce. Or meant for it to try and offer a modern version of what Judge Jules' 5pm Saturday show used to.

Back around the mid 90s to the mid 00s it felt like young people used to go to bigger scale events and more often. They used to travel the country on weekends going to superclubs like Cream, Gatecrasher in Sheffield etc. So the original dance anthems was on at the right time on a Sunday night, everyone interacting with the show saying where they had been over the weekend and with who. What DJ they had seen and what was the big tune of the weekend etc. House and Garage music were big around this point, but my a country mile it was the boom of Trance around the millenium that stood out. It was the fuel for the show really.

Todays version I do see has a bit of an identity crisis. That said Charlie has history with Kiss who have always been heavily involved with dance culture. So playing commercial dance tracks, she's good enough to do that really. Interacting with the listeners will be different though, there's that many sub genres of dance (especially house) now it's hard to keep up. Not as many people are into one strain and the same thing now, pulling the same way. Also at that time of day it's usually the dancing in the kitchen and cooking the dinner type who will text in etc.

Think thats a fair and really logical argument to make about dance anthems think liked it when Danny Howard had features around Remixes of one of the biggest songs of the minute, dance chart and guest mixes. Think if I was old enough to be aware of radio and grown up at young age around some of the 00’s stuff maybe wouldve enjoyed Dave Pearce and Judge Jules. Think around getting ready for going out, in the kitchen or in the car if you not going out out but sometimes having a bit of the taster of the newer stuff and give a bit of a window into the current club scene like in Nick Grimshaw’s book how he talked about getting into house music think there needs that older sibling who goes out clubbing and nicking the car stereo and audio Jack and trying to coax people in with the newer stuff think if there is stuff with the nostalgia as there has been renaissance of disco, drum and bass and house over the last few years and age of samples. Wisely connecting the old and new through samples, influences and remixes. I kind of like it when presenter does it cleverly that you pluck up and pay attention to the song on the radio. Think how early it is sometimes I think dance anthems could be a showroom for the rest if the branch of the networks dance content.

[Old Codger Fan]

16 hours ago, DC said:

 

Its kind of like the angle Radio 2 are at right now, the same as that DJ at that party. Can you carry on playing music to a generation that isn't around to hear it anymore? 

Can - and should (on the radio, that is) - Absolute 40's was an absolute joy.