Scott v Matt and Mollie

[Nik B.]

multi-cultural society means EVERYONE accepts everyone else's opinions, beliefs, values & works together.

example;

there is no 'I' in TEAM.

Nah, that theory is a bit screwed really, considering that it would be a miracle if everyone accepted even one thing to be good, bad or right.

[Robbie Keane]

Well it doesn't *actually* mean that; multiculturalism covers the social make-up of diversity within society, not how accepted it is within it. But I agree that there isn't a utopian state of society in this country, nor will there ever be.

[E*F*4L]

Well it doesn't *actually* mean that; multiculturalism covers the social make-up of diversity within society, not how accepted it is within it. But I agree that there isn't a utopian state of society in this country, nor will there ever be.

exactly, the defining point of "multi-cultural society means EVERYONE accepts everyone else's opinions, beliefs, values & works together" is that a society isn't truly a multi-cultural society until those criteria are met.

you are saying that the right wing has taken it over, yet you don't seem to want to do anything to change that.

also

are you saying that im a racist because i had a England flag on my car on St Georges Day & had to drive through a predominately asian area on my way to work as i do every day ?

[Robbie Keane]

So we both agree that I am right and you weren't.

Good times.

[E*F*4L]

So we both agree that I am right and you weren't.

Good times.

no, due to above edited

[DaNNiP15]

are you saying that im a racist because i had a England flag on my car on St Georges Day & had to drive through a predominately asian area on my way to work as i do every day ?

Thats not racist at all in my eyes, its only a flag

[Robbie Keane]

exactly, the defining point of "multi-cultural society means EVERYONE accepts everyone else's opinions, beliefs, values & works together" is that a society isn't truly a multi-cultural society until those criteria are met.

No it doesn't. Multiculturalism, as I said a few posts back, is "the theory of racial, cultural and ethnic diversity that applies to the demographic make-up". The make-up has nothing to do with how they are received or treated. The fact is that we are multi-cultural due to how many differing cultures are present within our society. It's pretty black and white on that front. And that's why the people who argue that multiculturalism is dead don't even touch on the idea of everyone accepting everyone else's ideas; they base their argument on is being dead because of the connotation, not the meaning.

Plus, there's more to defining multi-culture than the idea that there's some racists somewhere, decrying the Asians and the Polish. Politically, we are multi-cultured because we've made strides to officially accept it into our laws and policies. If multi-cultural societies didn't exist, there would be no need for the term, nor any need to restructure our laws and policies and there wouldn't be age-old arguments going on about it for years upon years because there would be nothing to argue over.

The vocal minority do not make us any less multi-cultural. A football team with a player who doesn't like his teammates and supports the opposing team is still a football team; just not a perfect one.

Similarly, we are a multi-cultural society - just not a particularly great one (although we're not particularly bad, either).

you are saying that the right wing has taken it over, yet you don't seem to want to do anything to change that.

What am I going to do to change that? St. Georges Day doesn't mean anything to me anyway, regardless of the right-wing or not. All I feel is that their efforts of trying to make something of it are misguided and ultimately off-putting to people like myself and only serve to push us from not caring towards the dangerous area of resentment.

are you saying that im a racist because i had a England flag on my car on St Georges Day & had to drive through a predominately asian area on my way to work as i do every day ?

I assume this is directed at me, in which case, LOL! I've never once even insinuated that you might be a racist. For all I know, you could be. I don't know one way or the other and certainly would prefer to assume that you are a right-minded person who is accepting of all cultures and races, instead of pointing fingers.

Nor do I think that driving through an "Asian area" with an England flag on your car is racist. I've seen houses owned by Asian families with an English flag hanging from the window. So certainly not.

Yet, I can't help but shake off my psychology knowledge, though, when thinking that you raised such a question without a hint of provocation in such an act of defensiveness.

[E*F*4L]

i mentioned it due to your post ;

And they're the ones who ruin it for the rest of us because now we see St. Georges Day as an excuse for the right-wing racists to congregate outside of pubs, talking about how we should be proud of being British

you are suggesting that it has been taken over by the right wing, thus people should be afraid to celebrate St. Georges Day as they could be considered racist by doing so & used my patriotism as a Englishman as a example of what may be considered racist by those who concur with the above quote.

from wiki ;

The term multiculturalism generally refers to a theory of racial, cultural and ethnic diversity that applies to the demographic make-up of a specific place, usually at the scale of an organization such as a school, business, neighborhood, city or nation.

No it doesn't. Multiculturalism, as I said a few posts back, is "the theory of racial, cultural and ethnic diversity that applies to the demographic make-up". The make-up has nothing to do with how they are received or treated. The fact is that we are multi-cultural due to how many differing cultures are present within our society. It's pretty black and white on that front. And that's why the people who argue that multiculturalism is dead don't even touch on the idea of everyone accepting everyone else's ideas; they base their argument on is being dead because of the connotation, not the meaning.

that explains why the United Kingdom is trying to split up with Scotland & Wales wanting to become independent then, the term multiculturalism it quite broad & reading the wiki one it seems to be a more political version, it even says itself that it is a theory.

there are many different cultures in the UK & they don't all get along & how do you suggest

we make it open to everyone in such a multi-cultural society

i want to celebrate being English on Saint Georges Day, in the same way that a Welshman want to celebrate being Welsh on Saint David's Day or a Scotsman wants to celebrate being Scottish on Saint Andrew's Day, why can't i do this in our multi-cultural society ?

how this ever got this far is beyond me, in the other forums that had a Saint Georges Day thread 99% of the posts were

happy Saint Georges Day

[Nik B.]

Both your points are flawed, theres not much point arguing over it. Although it definately isn't racist, unless you wrote something like scum or something on the flag...

I trust you didn't though

[Lucinda]

Both your points are flawed, theres not much point arguing over it. Although it definately isn't racist, unless you wrote something like scum or something on the flag...

I trust you didn't though

Surely displaying a St. George's flag with the word "scum" on it would be racist against the English.

[Nik B.]

Surely displaying a St. George's flag with the word "scum" on it would be racist against the English.

I have no idea, but I couldn't think of a better way to end the post

[Tom.]

Anyway St George is the patron saint of England not the english ... if people are in england they should celebrate it...

If you went to America you would celebrate on the 4th of July.