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[callum]

Does He exist

*another thought provoking thread from the CALLUMRINGER insistute of interesting people and ideas*

[Ema]

Yes, I think he does, im a christian.

*will post more tommorow am too tired to ramble on*

[demonhorse]

Never met him/it... so with that in mind, i'm a fully fledged atheist thanks to crap RE at school that was nothing but bible-bashing.

Watched an interesting program about the 'lost gospels' the other night. Some quite extreme and controversial stuff in there... especially re a certain Ms Mary Magdelene..

[Olly]

I used to love Floella, bless her.

And no, God doesn't exist.

[Guest]

God is dead. According to Neitzsche. Who is also dead.

[demonhorse]

God is dead. According to Neitzsche. Who is also dead.

"God Is Dead" - Neitzsche

"Neitzsche Is Dead" - God

[Lucinda]

I don't believe in God. But I don't believe that there is definitely no god either. So I suppose I'm agnostic. I have explored the possibilities and not found anything that convinces me or helps me to believe anything.

[callum]

Hitler is God - Hitler

[demonhorse]

If God existed, why does so much s**t happen... especially some of the s*** people like George Bush do supposedly in the name of 'god'...

Guess every religion has it's extremists... except maybe Buddhism.

[Guest]

Seriously, no, I don't. I don't believe there's anything: no Gaia, no God, no spirit world - nada. It's all in the human psyche. It's all human creation. Fantasy. Mojo. Piffle. Poppycock. Balderdash!

[callum]

The existance of religion helps many moderate members of society, however it also is the root of all Evil,

[demonhorse]

Actually... I prefer to take the advice of Winston Zeddemore of the Ghostbusters...

"If someone asks you if you are a God, you say YES!!!"

Indeed Religion causes conflict... more so than anything else, even oil.

Beliefs are fine, it's when they get combined into religions that the problems begin.

[callum]

Of course, unless of course you are me in which case the answer is "son of god"

[demonhorse]

Of course, unless of course you are me in which case the answer is "son of god"

but I have no son?

[Guest]

I think The Bible was a code of laws, designed to make people behave more correctly or however those who wrote it believed people should behave in just the same way as the constitution of a state sets out how a state should run.

I think religion is a dying duck though. Fewer people attend church these days. Some claim to still be religious and have a faith, but I think there is an increasing secularism, primarily amongst the youth, that will take hold of society and flower over the next several decades, creating a less religious, more secular Britain where, perhaps, equality and tolerance instead of God, rules behaviour.

[callum]

Becasue you are not god, unless you are a Sci Fi god, in which case you could be 1 from another planet, or a Horse God, i am the leader of Mankind

[demonhorse]

I am the god of hellfire, and I bring you.... #fire#....

[Bexy]

Blimey S, that post was a bit serious for here.

I completely agree with the second part, not so sure about the first though.

As for me, I don't believe in God, but I don't like the thought that there's nothing out there.

[Jamie]

I dont believe in god because i think there is more evidence for Darwinism 'evolution theory'

[Kelly]

I believe that there is something out there and, as the great Gil Grissom once said;

I'm sure they're smart enough to stay the hell away from us!*

*OK, so maybe they weren't his exact words, but it's ten to two in the morning and I'm tired.

[Geezer7348]

Dont believe a word of it, if there really was a god then there would be no war, no diseases and everybody would be happy clappy chappies.

[Bexy]

Dont believe a word of it, if there really was a god then there would be no war, no diseases and everybody would be happy clappy chappies.

But when people go through illness, or the death of a loved one or something like that and make it through it, don't you think it makes them a stronger person? To truly appreciate happy times, don't you have to had experience of bad times? Maybe that's what God/a god wants?

[Behelzebub]

I kind of agree with Bexy on this one. Personally I'm sort of in the middle when it comes to religion, I wouldn't call myself an atheist but then again I don't see myself as being Christian either.

[callum]

I find that people who are REAl christains are nice people, but that the ones who keep going on about it all the time are usually the people who want the attention and people to think that they are good because they are christians, i think those people are wrong, there are some dodgy christians,

[sebdevlin]

From wikipedia - "we the cut & paste generation" I voted for floella

"God is dead" is not meant literally, as in "God is now physically dead"; rather, it is Nietzsche's way of saying that the idea of God is no longer capable of acting as a source of any moral code or teleology. Nietzsche recognises the crisis which the death of God represents for existing moral considerations, because "When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one's feet. This morality is by no means self-evident.... By breaking one main concept out of Christianity, the faith in God, one breaks the whole: nothing necessary remains in one's hands."[1] This is why in "The Madman", the madman addresses not believers, but atheists — the problem is to retain any system of values in the absence of a divine order.

The death of God is a way of saying that humans are no longer able to believe in any such cosmic order since they themselves no longer recognize it. The death of God will lead, Nietzsche says, not only to the rejection of a belief of cosmic or physical order but also to a rejection of absolute values themselves — to the rejection of belief in an objective and universal moral law, binding upon all individuals. In this manner, the loss of an absolute basis for morality leads to nihilism. This nihilism is what Nietzsche worked to find a solution for by re-evaluating the foundations of human values. This meant, to Nietzsche, looking for foundations that went deeper than the Christian values most Christians refuse to look beyond.