Jack Saunders' new show

[GeekTalk51]

Out of the weekday daytime lineup on Radio 1, who’s most likely to be on the way out in the next few years, and who will step up to replace them?

Personally I think Grimshaw is the most vulnerable of the lot, Scott and Chris are still sounding at the top of their game, Clara Amfo is clearly viewed as a big asset to the station (plus axing the only non-white presenter on the daytime lineup would be a really bad look for the BBC), and Greg is safe on Breakfast for the foreseeable, so long as he doesn’t burn out and decide to leave.  That leaves Grimshaw, he’s already peaked, and he isn’t putting out consistently high quality shows in the way Mills and Stark are, so if one of them was to leave, I’d say the most likely is Grimshaw.

 

Your thoughts?

[BBCAaron]

1 hour ago, GeekTalk51 said:

Out of the weekday daytime lineup on Radio 1, who’s most likely to be on the way out in the next few years, and who will step up to replace them?

Personally I think Grimshaw is the most vulnerable of the lot, Scott and Chris are still sounding at the top of their game, Clara Amfo is clearly viewed as a big asset to the station (plus axing the only non-white presenter on the daytime lineup would be a really bad look for the BBC), and Greg is safe on Breakfast for the foreseeable, so long as he doesn’t burn out and decide to leave.  That leaves Grimshaw, he’s already peaked, and he isn’t putting out consistently high quality shows in the way Mills and Stark are, so if one of them was to leave, I’d say the most likely is Grimshaw.

 

Your thoughts?

Grimshaw gone but argueably could see them all gone as think Greg would want to move on from breakfast and think could naturally transition to radio 2 for the odd bit of relief here and there every now and then as would be then his twenty something year on air if there in five years time think could stay doing breakfast for another two years could see him also if with his radio career bringing in numbers for the station and show sounding commercial as his pay is published could get commercial offer. Scott could end up on Radio 2 in the next few years possibly and hopefully joined by Chris as see possibly Virgin or Greatest Hits nabbing another one or two in coming years. Clara don’t know tbh would eventually see her few more years odd cover maybe on Annie Mac still to come (maybe) think Clara would be good at covering or the next for Jo Whiley’s Radio 2 show. See Grimshaw maybe one or two years his interest in music is varied but think him and Annie would sound surprisingly good as a future duo on six music in a few years tho with BBC Three and ITV Two and Sky doing more original entertainment show formats I could see him potentially after leaving radio 1 the odd bit of freelance radio on and then do bit of tv presenting and appearances.

but Jack Saunders can’t be far off from a promotion. Tho think one day like Scott Mills and Chris Stark do Jordan if got a better deal else where still at Radio 1 but could do bit of 5Live as think could be good as the odd cover presenter or doing Fighting Talk or doing some sporting podcast and broadcast 

[BBCAaron]

2 hours ago, GeekTalk51 said:

Out of the weekday daytime lineup on Radio 1, who’s most likely to be on the way out in the next few years, and who will step up to replace them?

Personally I think Grimshaw is the most vulnerable of the lot, Scott and Chris are still sounding at the top of their game, Clara Amfo is clearly viewed as a big asset to the station (plus axing the only non-white presenter on the daytime lineup would be a really bad look for the BBC), and Greg is safe on Breakfast for the foreseeable, so long as he doesn’t burn out and decide to leave.  That leaves Grimshaw, he’s already peaked, and he isn’t putting out consistently high quality shows in the way Mills and Stark are, so if one of them was to leave, I’d say the most likely is Grimshaw.

 

Your thoughts?

Also does anyone think since Sarah Story has covered few dance shows recently and instead of Danny is doing Annie’s show if doesnt go Capital Dance do you see her getting a permanent show by end of year. Possibly if Annie does leave

[Jono]

Yikes thought you were killing DJs off

[BBCAaron]

4 minutes ago, Jono said:

Yikes thought you were killing DJs off

Nah just I see that probably in five years since that most presenters in daytime and few in weekend slot will be in their high teen years of presenting can see them getting offers for commercial good offers or other work within the BBC. Like don’t see that Adele Roberts would be promoted any further and getting an offer for Heart or Hits Radio I just see maybe in three years there will be another rejig to avoid Raido 1 seeming out of touch and to be fair with jobs moving across country in the organisation and pay being published it will be hard to keep hold to some figures some tough decisions will have to be made and big offers in commercial sector could be made as unsurprising if Wireless, Global and Bauer in particular continue to grow their brands with personalities and potentially pop out three other specialist music or talk radio stations in coming years and role of BBC will be difficult. Think BBC R1 will have to have another radical switch up even in evenings see Annie leaving in coming year with the amount of projects that she’s doing DJ writing with own book and own podcast projects outside of the BBC and see possibly Benji B could end up on 6 Music as fits in with direction they are going in. Dunno whether the Rock show will be there and Dan P Carter may leave the show or not.

 

Think that bbc is struggling particularly understanding what the oldest generation want not what the generation Z want. So can’t imagine much will be the same 

[BBCAaron]

17 minutes ago, Jono said:

Yikes thought you were killing DJs off

Kind of think I’d things marginally the same think young people like the older generations will struggle to understand why they should pay for a service like the BBC where the argument is growing that it doesn’t look or reflect modern Britain 

[GeekTalk51]

1 hour ago, Jono said:

Yikes thought you were killing DJs off

Now that would have been a sinister twist

[MrsViterinary]

On 4/5/2021 at 1:42 PM, GeekTalk51 said:

Out of the weekday daytime lineup on Radio 1, who’s most likely to be on the way out in the next few years, and who will step up to replace them?

Personally I think Grimshaw is the most vulnerable of the lot, Scott and Chris are still sounding at the top of their game, Clara Amfo is clearly viewed as a big asset to the station (plus axing the only non-white presenter on the daytime lineup would be a really bad look for the BBC), and Greg is safe on Breakfast for the foreseeable, so long as he doesn’t burn out and decide to leave.  That leaves Grimshaw, he’s already peaked, and he isn’t putting out consistently high quality shows in the way Mills and Stark are, so if one of them was to leave, I’d say the most likely is Grimshaw.

 

Your thoughts?

I can't bear Greg in the mornings and have grown to love Grimmy on afternoons. I'd be happy with Matt or Jordan on breakfast. I think it's time for Greg to move to R2

 

[BBCAaron]

1 hour ago, MrsViterinary said:

I can't bear Greg in the mornings and have grown to love Grimmy on afternoons. I'd be happy with Matt or Jordan on breakfast. I think it's time for Greg to move to R2

 

Cant agree more I think I would like to hear Jordan actually do an evening show like Grimmy did then parachuted to breakfast would actually make breakfast about 0600-0900 or atleast end earlier Greg didn’t mind him too much on drive think honestly if found the That’s what he said podcast again liked it when was like 15 or 16 but now feel far too cringe and breakfast show feels out of touch with its audience far too cheesy. Greg does slip into today’s radio 2 feel of corny broadcasting his breakfast show for one or two months worked as a novelty but after while listened every once in a while to the odd bit but felt more slipping into 6music unpopular opinions some of true features around it are cringe the odd bit is alright. But would rather listen to Lauren on 6 if up at that time.listen to the odd bit in sixth form of this breakfast show but didn’t have as good feel think it misses having more guests. But breakfast is a poison chalice of all slots no breakfast radio feels like great radio.

[BBCAaron]

I think at the time I would’ve liked to seen the breakfast show go to a non white person a femal presenter Dotty now on Apple Music who did the 1 Xtra show wouldve been a good one think at the time did look foraged for the new breakfast show but at same time did feel like an odd choice to put Greg there. 

massively over rated as a presenter tho think he would recieve flack from Radio 2 crowd the same who find Zoe equally unlistenable. I wonder if RAJAR stats come back could show a decline for Greg’s breakfast. Since same much of the same old.

[1_tw]

To be honest, we can probably say that the most likely of the group to be moved on from radio 1 will be Grimmy & unfortunately Scott, who knows what will happen to him!

I'd say the strongest likelihood of still being at Radio 1 in five years is Greg. He is truly back to his best now he is on 5 days a week, but will he ride it out to be on breakfast in five years time? No, but will he still be at radio 1? More than likely yes. Greg consistently pulls audiences & is well liked across the industry.

[BBCAaron]

46 minutes ago, 1_tw said:

To be honest, we can probably say that the most likely of the group to be moved on from radio 1 will be Grimmy & unfortunately Scott, who knows what will happen to him!

I'd say the strongest likelihood of still being at Radio 1 in five years is Greg. He is truly back to his best now he is on 5 days a week, but will he ride it out to be on breakfast in five years time? No, but will he still be at radio 1? More than likely yes. Greg consistently pulls audiences & is well liked across the industry.

I can’t see many of them being there in five years do s you see Greg doing breakfast on radio 1 for 8 years with his salary made public and probably would need to revamp the schedule I can’t see him being there. I think the Breakfast show needs a revamp as it’s on a downwards spiral

[1_tw]

9 hours ago, BBCAaron said:

I can’t see many of them being there in five years do s you see Greg doing breakfast on radio 1 for 8 years with his salary made public and probably would need to revamp the schedule I can’t see him being there. I think the Breakfast show needs a revamp as it’s on a downwards spiral

I didn’t mention him being in breakfast in five years, just still being at radio 1.

To be honest you must be listening to a different breakfast show to most of us, yes it’s lacking a feature or two, but what isn’t because of the pandemic, don’t forget they are limited about having guests come in and being able to do other stuff. But Greg is largely back to his best now he is back to five days, which is surely another vote of confidence in him as breakfast presenter as well.

Areas of the schedule that haven’t been touched in years, mid morning & afternoons will be looked at before they do anything with the breakfast show. 
 

Salary wise, he isn’t the highest paid by any means at the BBC and is on less than what Grimmy was. Look at the way he detests Heart, Can anyone else see him leaving the BBC to join a commercial rival, because I certainly can’t.

[BBCAaron]

2 hours ago, 1_tw said:

I didn’t mention him being in breakfast in five years, just still being at radio 1.

To be honest you must be listening to a different breakfast show to most of us, yes it’s lacking a feature or two, but what isn’t because of the pandemic, don’t forget they are limited about having guests come in and being able to do other stuff. But Greg is largely back to his best now he is back to five days, which is surely another vote of confidence in him as breakfast presenter as well.

Areas of the schedule that haven’t been touched in years, mid morning & afternoons will be looked at before they do anything with the breakfast show. 
 

Salary wise, he isn’t the highest paid by any means at the BBC and is on less than what Grimmy was. Look at the way he detests Heart, Can anyone else see him leaving the BBC to join a commercial rival, because I certainly can’t.

Sometimes you say to detest station because commercial rival it’s all about the competition. Not being the highest pay is still open season as still commercial rivals can drop an offer for the start to get him to move can’t see him go from breakfast to the weekend slots. I dropped out because how cringe and corny the breakfast show with him the helm began to sound. Many other stations managed to get guests involved with covid whether doing remote interviews... found it was lacking any way in doing a proper interview I just see the breakfast show becoming less and less for the Generation it supposed to serve. Think they definatley need to go radical with the schedule 

 

[NathanS]

It was said at the time that the breakfast show would become less about the big name guests, with more emphasis on the listeners themselves. The big guests have pretty much moved with Grimmy across to drivetime.

I also disagree about the breakfast show sounding cringeworthy, although i fully respect your opinion. I do think there's some spark missing from his drivetime show. Not quite sure what it is either, maybe it's the Chris Smith double act i miss, who knows?

[GeekTalk51]

Regards the above discussion on the merits or otherwise of Greg’s breakfast show, I have to say that while it’s sometimes a little dull, it’s a consistently quality breakfast show and a credit to everyone working on it.  A little weaker than Greg on Drive, but a great listen.

[BBCAaron]

1 hour ago, NathanS said:

It was said at the time that the breakfast show would become less about the big name guests, with more emphasis on the listeners themselves. The big guests have pretty much moved with Grimmy across to drivetime.

I also disagree about the breakfast show sounding cringeworthy, although i fully respect your opinion. I do think there's some spark missing from his drivetime show. Not quite sure what it is either, maybe it's the Chris Smith double act i miss, who knows?

Think the duo did help but equally think after what would be almost ten years on air without having the freshness or sounding as more relaxed and coming across forced the creative struggle and dynamic would’ve been difficult after awhile but it is better if there are less guests to have a more of a team liked it when Nick Grimshaw would have Matt Fincham and Tina Da Healy and Ffiona producer think having that team on air does help as think that’s why think Kiss, Heart, Times, Radio X, Capital, etc have more of a team feel 

[BBCAaron]

7 minutes ago, GeekTalk51 said:

Regards the above discussion on the merits or otherwise of Greg’s breakfast show, I have to say that while it’s sometimes a little dull, it’s a consistently quality breakfast show and a credit to everyone working on it.  A little weaker than Greg on Drive, but a great listen.

I don’t see why they leave more of the guests to the drive time slot rather than its flagship slot the breakfast show to actually focus on some areas of pop culture it’s demographic are interested in doing more extended conversation and interviews that think since Grimmy left it is lacking 

[NathanS]

43 minutes ago, GeekTalk51 said:

Regards the above discussion on the merits or otherwise of Greg’s breakfast show, I have to say that while it’s sometimes a little dull, it’s a consistently quality breakfast show and a credit to everyone working on it.  A little weaker than Greg on Drive, but a great listen.

Fully agree. I don't get to listen to the full show daily (depends on the time i wake up), but yes, they made the right call putting Greg on breakfast.

[1_tw]

Greg’s breakfast show has always been about the people ever since day one and not solely based on celebrities and the like. It does suffer from them not having the producers or Roisin in the studio with them due to the pandemic for them to bounce off. 

Greg’s show also appears to be for the many & is a stark contrast to the remit Grimmy had post Moyles in lowering the average age of listeners. 

I personally lost count of the amount of times Alan Carr and others used to get on Grimmy’s breakfast show & still do enjoy Greg’s breakfast to this day.

[BBCAaron]

18 minutes ago, 1_tw said:

Greg’s breakfast show has always been about the people ever since day one and not solely based on celebrities and the like. It does suffer from them not having the producers or Roisin in the studio with them due to the pandemic for them to bounce off. 

Greg’s show also appears to be for the many & is a stark contrast to the remit Grimmy had post Moyles in lowering the average age of listeners. 

I personally lost count of the amount of times Alan Carr and others used to get on Grimmy’s breakfast show & still do enjoy Greg’s breakfast to this day.

Issue is Greg still has that remit and actually think is losing its core basis of being a youth station with that approach if goes to focusing on the older millennial think that think issue is for future they will not be able to get news presenter of news into the studio because Newsbeat will be out of Birmingham but think if wasn’t doing as cheesy features but did more interviews of a more interviews with celebrity than just odd feature as when he began doing Fridays few months back could’ve done stuff around talking to extended to artists who’ve got new music out and longer interviews and around new films or series coming out  missing that.

[Bluestraw]

You say cheesy, I say populist and aimed at a decent wide-ranging audience. R1's obsession with driving out older listeners with Grimmy was jarring and didn't really fit the ethos of the station. Of course back in the 90s it needed a full 'reset' as the style of the station had become very old-fashioned, but in recent years it's always been contemporary and as long as it continues to appeal to a broad range of youth there's no need to deliberately alienate anyone.

It's hard to see Breakfast going back to finishing at any time other than 10 at the earliest. Also, not sure why you'd think Breakfast should have gone to a non-white and/or female presenter - surely the show should always go to the best person regardless of ethnicity and even if you disagree that Greg is the best, certainly even the 2nd and 3rd best options don't fit that criteria. Removing ethnic / gender bias is absolutely important, but force-fitting less-competent presenters in to tick a box would be deplorable.

Back to the topic - 5 years is an awful long time, and given the current line-up has been on daytime for a long time already it's entirely feasible none of them will be there in 5 years. Greg surely will move off daytimes after Breakfast, rather than returning to afternoons or drive - potentially to the weekends while expanding his TV or R2/5 career. Clara COULD be there but I suspect she'll have moved on, maybe to evenings. Scott would really be pushing it age-wise, though would love to see him defy those odds, and Grimmy is unlikely to be on daytimes at the end of this year let alone in five

[BBCAaron]

18 minutes ago, Bluestraw said:

You say cheesy, I say populist and aimed at a decent wide-ranging audience. R1's obsession with driving out older listeners with Grimmy was jarring and didn't really fit the ethos of the station. Of course back in the 90s it needed a full 'reset' as the style of the station had become very old-fashioned, but in recent years it's always been contemporary and as long as it continues to appeal to a broad range of youth there's no need to deliberately alienate anyone.

It's hard to see Breakfast going back to finishing at any time other than 10 at the earliest. Also, not sure why you'd think Breakfast should have gone to a non-white and/or female presenter - surely the show should always go to the best person regardless of ethnicity and even if you disagree that Greg is the best, certainly even the 2nd and 3rd best options don't fit that criteria. Removing ethnic / gender bias is absolutely important, but force-fitting less-competent presenters in to tick a box would be deplorable.

Back to the topic - 5 years is an awful long time, and given the current line-up has been on daytime for a long time already it's entirely feasible none of them will be there in 5 years. Greg surely will move off daytimes after Breakfast, rather than returning to afternoons or drive - potentially to the weekends while expanding his TV or R2/5 career. Clara COULD be there but I suspect she'll have moved on, maybe to evenings. Scott would really be pushing it age-wise, though would love to see him defy those odds, and Grimmy is unlikely to be on daytimes at the end of this year let alone in five

But think it would be to assume they are less competent it’s about actually the station valuing other talent in the industry and recognising the stations problem with giving big time slots often to white male and abled presenters. Think I can’t see many of them at all on the station in 5 years it would be a sign of a station unwilling to involved. Think it’s not the stations position to be populist that’s something you leave to the private sector should be a plural of voices and allowing completion to have a fair chance. My feeling I felt that and I think some other young people felt that this county has a lot of young people who are non white female or non binary etc that in the industry don’t have equal opportunity with having same talent and willing to put in the effort. Think Radio 1 just doesn’t look like young Britain.

why would you think let’s get a diverse line up on the station would mean less competent it’s not about tick boxes it’s about saying why is it pretty much still largely white male people fronting peak daytime shows like breakfast. When they actually could be giving some newer and exciting talent that brings something new to the scene like someone like Dotty from 1 Xtra now Apple would’ve been good.

Think the ethos is that Radio 1 is a youth state and isn’t as youthful as it was or could be. Think I actually felt that the decisions under when Nick moved to breakfast helped the station actually tap into a younger generation at my age talking about more things that affect under thirties teens and twenty somethings and the heart of what a youth station meant with some of the decisions with tapping into social media getting the right guests and allowing for some more special Newsbeat editions tapped into something for a younger audience that seemed more fitting as the station seemed more tapped in to the trends and made more content that could be for that audience more of a talking point.

[Bluestraw]

Radio 1 is - today - in a very healthy place. There's no problem to 'fix', of course the station should continue to evolve but Aled seems very well placed to do that effectively. Why should the station not be allowed to be populist? Why alienate a large portion of the audience and suggest they go to the private sector? Surely each person is equally entitled to enjoy the station, it doesn't need to be made into a niche broadcaster only appealing to a minority, leaving the rest to suffer with the likes of Capital?

I think you and I have VERY different opinions regarding white, male, abled presenters. I want a station that sounds at its best and picks the cream of the UK radio talent irrespective of gender, ethnicity, disability etc. You're looking to force-fit presenters based on certain characteristics who may well be okay but if they were the cream they'd already be obvious rising stars in the industry. We have a fundamentally different view about the merits of such an approach so probably not worth debating it. All I will say - a little smugly if I'm honest - is that Aled is way too smart to go down any of the wild routes you propose.

[BBCAaron]

15 minutes ago, Bluestraw said:

Radio 1 is - today - in a very healthy place. There's no problem to 'fix', of course the station should continue to evolve but Aled seems very well placed to do that effectively. Why should the station not be allowed to be populist? Why alienate a large portion of the audience and suggest they go to the private sector? Surely each person is equally entitled to enjoy the station, it doesn't need to be made into a niche broadcaster only appealing to a minority, leaving the rest to suffer with the likes of Capital?

I think you and I have VERY different opinions regarding white, male, abled presenters. I want a station that sounds at its best and picks the cream of the UK radio talent irrespective of gender, ethnicity, disability etc. You're looking to force-fit presenters based on certain characteristics who may well be okay but if they were the cream they'd already be obvious rising stars in the industry. We have a fundamentally different view about the merits of such an approach so probably not worth debating it. All I will say - a little smugly if I'm honest - is that Aled is way too smart to go down any of the wild routes you propose.

Think honestly think people try to get a place in the radio industry based on merit just there’s so many barriers especially with often still little diversity in management positions I think it’s case the BBC Sounds is also come under scrutiny the Dance stream and Radio 1 and 2 of sounding too much like their competitiors and not giving the commercial sector a fair chance as BBC dominates much of the market. Its not about shitting audience on but its the thing is station is a public service broadcaster not for profit and should not be for great competition its in the public not commercial sector. Think this view to treat radio 1 as a commercial station is actually giving too much in it seeming it’s not serving its purpose and isn’t an essential radio service it should be about having a public service broadcaster look like Britain and sound like it think people want to see representation otherwise you will have a generation growing up feeling they have a public service broadcaster that doesn’t sound or look like them or represent them and feel like they don’t need it. Should be more about bringing more informative information and focus on what is essential of a PSB and find that the radio industry do have many barriers as it’s often many of the same faces and people who are talented aren’t given a chance.