Rave Up with Arielle Free

[kyle_y]

Cuba is full of communists :grrr:

Costa Rica on the other hand is full of palm trees, coffee, sexy women, has a sun-drenched sky & turquoise sea's lapping upon it's white sandy beaches.

anyway, back on topic, i had a look through some of the Tory papers websites last night & i couldn't believe some of the comments by the Mail readers, they were on about Clegg as DPM, if a LIB is home secretary all the criminals will be freed & illegals will be allowed to pour in, a fair few were "i didn't vote for this" there were even some "i'm never voting Consertitive again" :giggle: i suppose they will be voting Nazi next time then lol, what a bunch of pricks

I was joking!

'My mate Fidel' = Fidel Castro

I guess to a certain extent when Brown said a vote for Clegg is a vote for the Conservatives then he was partly right. I think this could do more damage than good for the Lib Dems, many of those who voted for them did so as an anti-Conservative vote. The Lib Dems won't get PR or even AV or STV. There probably won't be any change from the current FPTP system as the Tories on the backbenches will vote against it. I think Clegg's sold the soul of his party to the devil and they'll get very little in return for it.

If Labour play their cards right they will probably come out of this very well in the long run. A fresh new start in opposition where they can all sort themselves out with their new leader (David Miliband ftw!) with some fresh new young faces on the opposition frontbench. They'd be able to be critical of the imminent and inevitable huge spending cuts heading our way and of the pledges the Lib Dems have gone back on in pursuit of sharing power with the Tories. They'd be capitalise on the disillusionment amongst left-wing supporters of the Lib Dems and go back to their roots by refocusing on their traditional core working class supporters.

[kyle_y]

Well that's just fine if you like cigars...

Made me LOL

[E*F*4L]

The Lib Dems won't get PR or even AV or STV. There probably won't be any change from the current FPTP system as the Tories on the backbenches will vote against it. I think Clegg's sold the soul of his party to the devil and they'll get very little in return for it.

it will be by referendum, Cameron has already said there will be a referendum & this will be done by the people, the back benches have no choice Cameron went back to his MP's with the deal & asked them to vote on it, most of them said 'yes' because the coalition was signed & that's exactly the same as what Clegg did with his MP's & it is written in to the coalition contract thing they have, thats is what took most of the time i would have thought. getting all the words right in it, so that nobody could misunderstand it & try & worm out of what it says.

[kyle_y]

it will be by referendum, Cameron has already said there will be a referendum & this will be done by the people, the back benches have no choice Cameron went back to his MP's with the deal & asked them to vote on it, most of them said 'yes' because the coalition was signed & that's exactly the same as what Clegg did with his MP's & it is written in to the coalition contract thing they have, thats is what took most of the time i would have thought. getting all the words right in it, so that nobody could misunderstand it & try & worm out of what it says.

But don't the House still have to vote to have a referendum in the first place? And don't they have to vote to follow through with the verdict according to the referendum result?

I might be wrong but I assumed that even though the parties state they will do things in these coalition agreements and in their manifestos, every act and bill and policy has to be passed through by the MPs

:S

[yorkieboy]

But don't the House still have to vote to have a referendum in the first place? And don't they have to vote to follow through with the verdict according to the referendum result?

I might be wrong but I assumed that even though the parties state they will do things in these coalition agreements and in their manifestos, every act and bill and policy has to be passed through by the MPs

:S

Depends if it's mandatory referendum or advisory one. I'm 99% sure the agreement will be that it's a mandatory referendum in which case if the public vote for voting reform then it WILL go through.

[E*F*4L]

VAT at 20% by the looks of it :grrr:

[kyle_y]

VAT at 20% by the looks of it :grrr:

Not good! :x And not good for the Lib Dems either, this will do them much more harm than good

[E*F*4L]

Not good! :x And not good for the Lib Dems either, this will do them much more harm than good

the Lib-Dems did warn about the Tory VAT BOMB, so the Lib's won't take to much of a hit from this, i also think it will do more harm that good, the people who should pay for it are them fucking b(W)ankers in the USA, if they haven't got the money they should pay with their lives :grrr: really pissed off by this !

one of the problems is idiots think it will be some short term thing & some bloke the BBC interviewed on the news said he didn't mind doing his bit, by paying more VAT, what a pratt

[E*F*4L]

:shock: my MP is now Chairman of the Parliamentary Party

[Viv]

VAT at 20% by the looks of it :grrr:

Oh, you are kidding.... :!::!::!:

[Roy H]

Yeah I think an increase in VAT is very likely. Predict huge job losses in the Public Sector too.......

[Viv]

I've got to laugh... how do they get unemployment sorted by firing many others??!!

[kyle_y]

:shock: my MP is now Chairman of the Parliamentary Party

Oh who's that then? Baroness Warsi? I don't like her. Come to think of it, there aren't many politicians I actually like..

[E*F*4L]

Oh, you are kidding.... :!::!::!:

nope.

Oh who's that then? Baroness Warsi? I don't like her. Come to think of it, there aren't many politicians I actually like..

no, Warsi is Chairman of the Conservative Party.

[yorkieboy]

VAT at 20% by the looks of it :grrr:

If they've got to increase tax this is the best way to do it imo. Having to pay an extra two and a half pence in the pound isn't going to make a massive difference to anyone. Equally it was an awful decision to reduce it to 15% last year on the basis that people will suddenly go out and start spending £££ because things suddently became 2.5% cheaper, yet it cost the government millions.

[Jono]

Oh who's that then? Baroness Warsi? I don't like her. Come to think of it, there aren't many politicians I actually like..

Baroness Warsi is probably one of the few people I think I don't mind in cabinet.

[E*F*4L]

If they've got to increase tax this is the best way to do it imo. Having to pay an extra two and a half pence in the pound isn't going to make a massive difference to anyone. Equally it was an awful decision to reduce it to 15% last year on the basis that people will suddenly go out and start spending £££ because things suddently became 2.5% cheaper, yet it cost the government millions.

from what i have read a increase of 2.5% on VAT is the same as a 3p increase on NI, where Labour wanted a 1p increase on NI the Tax on jobs if you like, even some of those big companies who side-ed with the Tories over the NI increase are now saying that they are very worried about the VAT increase as it will slow consumer spending & all the problems that go with it, it seems as much as i don't want to say it, but Gordon was right !

[John]

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[yorkieboy]

from what i have read a increase of 2.5% on VAT is the same as a 3p increase on NI, where Labour wanted a 1p increase on NI the Tax on jobs if you like, even some of those big companies who side-ed with the Tories over the NI increase are now saying that they are very worried about the VAT increase as it will slow consumer spending & all the problems that go with it, it seems as much as i don't want to say it, but Gordon was right !

The big companies don't want any tax increases though, they backed the Tories when they said no to NI increases, now they have to increase VAT they're worried about it. If it's true that a 2.5% increase on VAT is the same as a 3% increase on NI then it would mean that you take a hit on certain goods you buy when you go shopping as opposed to big employers and employees taking a bigger hit every hour they work/employ.

[-sophie-]

You can't go anywhere without seeing some kind of propaganda still lying around, so some people I know set fire to a load of the Conservative signs...

[E*F*4L]

hmmm

Treasury Minister David Laws resigns over expenses

Liberal Democrat David Laws has resigned as Chief Secretary to the Treasury after admitting he claimed expenses to pay rent to his partner.

He said he could not carry on with the "crucial work" on the Budget while dealing with the implications of the revelations in the Daily Telegraph.

He had earlier apologised and said he would pay back the £40,000 he claimed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10191524.stm

not sure of what to think of this :confused:

[yorkieboy]

The government should have put someone up on Question Time, as slimy and corrupt as Alastair Campbell is not putting someone up is inexcusable after a Queens speech. Maybe recent news involving David Laws had someting to do with that...

[kyle_y]

The David Laws thing is a shame, even though he's to the right of the Lib Dems, he's one poltiician that I actaully like and have genuine respect for even though he seemed all too keen to get close to the Tories for my liking. I very much doubt he deliberately aimed to mislead or cheat the taxpaper, just wanted to keep his private life private. I wish him the best in whatever he does next, and I'm sure he'll be back on the frontbench in the near future.

What I find hard to understand is how and why this revelation about his expenses has only just been let out in the public domain by the Daily Telegraph months after this whole expenses 'scandal' thing first started. How did they know at the time that they should hold on to that information, because Laws was pretty much unheard of by most prior to this coalition.

[yorkieboy]

The David Laws thing is a shame, even though he's to the right of the Lib Dems, he's one poltiician that I actaully like and have genuine respect for even though he seemed all too keen to get close to the Tories for my liking. I very much doubt he deliberately aimed to mislead or cheat the taxpaper, just wanted to keep his private life private. I wish him the best in whatever he does next, and I'm sure he'll be back on the frontbench in the near future.

What I find hard to understand is how and why this revelation about his expenses has only just been let out in the public domain by the Daily Telegraph months after this whole expenses 'scandal' thing first started. How did they know at the time that they should hold on to that information, because Laws was pretty much unheard of by most prior to this coalition.

I agree it's very sad, although I think it was right of him to resign given the nature of his job (i.e. finding areas to make cuts in) but I'm sure he'll get another chance in this government. I think you answered your own question about why the Telegraph didn't release the information - it's because he was unheard of at the time and they wanted to publish stuff about cabinet ministers at the time.

People will say that the Telegraph now has too much power as it can decide to bring up expenses claims to damage people in government/opposition when it wants; but it's just reporting the truth. Hopefully this will be a message to other MP's to check their claims and come open about it now.